When to Step In and When to Stay Out | A Discussion with Tom Goodlet
Tom Goodlet | Pastor, best-selling author, and founder of Two Penny Consulting. He spent over a decade in pastoral ministry, then ran a publishing company helping authors get their book from their heart into their hands. He later founded Two Penny Consulting to do something similar for leaders who'd rather not learn everything the hard way.
Juntos Online Learning Community
August 18, 2026
Transcript
Webinar Opening and September Juntos Events
Joshua Howard opened the August Juntos webinar, reviewed participation guidelines, and announced four September events for solopreneurs, business owners, and the broader Juntos community. The events include workshops in Belmopan, Spanish Lookout, and San Ignacio, as well as a September 3 networking event featuring Tom Goodlett.
Guest Introduction and Leadership Topic
Joshua introduced Tom Goodlett and described his pastoral, publishing, and consulting background. He then framed the webinar topic around deciding when to ask questions, challenge assumptions, offer solutions, or step back so others can think and decide independently.
The Cost of Getting in the Way
Tom used a biblical story about parents bringing children to Jesus to illustrate the principle of helping without obstructing. He applied the lesson to business leadership, explaining that leaders can interfere with their own work, employee development, and customer problem-solving by stepping in too early.
Four Premature Leadership Responses
Tom described four ways leaders commonly intervene at the wrong moment: power plays, pre-judging, immediate problem-solving, and positive spinning. He explained that these responses can invalidate the person’s experience, obscure the real issue, and prevent employees or customers from contributing to the solution.
Leadership as Guidance Rather Than Rescue
In response to Joshua’s question, Tom said problem-solving is often the most prevalent response because leaders view it as their job and assume people want them to be heroes. He argued instead that people want to become their own heroes, with leaders acting as guides who help them reach that point.
Listening Before Speaking
Tom recommended listening first and applying the “WAIT” reminder, “Why am I talking?” He explained that leaders should avoid assuming the first concern raised is the real problem and should give people space to provide fuller information.
Offering Advice With Permission
Tom explained that leaders should speak into a situation only after they understand the need and believe advice is necessary. He recommended asking permission before contributing, sharing expertise only when qualified, leaving the decision with the other person, and avoiding pressure or repeated prompting.
Freeing Up High-Performing Employees
Tom presented the “freeing up our runners” principle and used the Move Your Bus analogy to distinguish runners, joggers, walkers, and riders. He explained that leaders should favor high-energy employees, create paths for them to pursue, coach them, and clean up the messes created by rapid experimentation.
Five Levels of Delegation
In response to Joshua’s request for practical guidance, Tom introduced five delegation levels: repeat, research, research and recommend, research and decide while reporting back, and independently run with the work. He emphasized gradually increasing responsibility and clearly defining the level of authority to avoid setting employees up for failure.
The Cheese Example and Leadership Restraint
Joshua asked what makes delegation difficult for leaders. Tom described Michelle’s successful Christmas Eve hospitality event and her accidental purchase of roughly $1,200 in excess cheese, explaining that he chose not to intervene because doing so could have slowed or discouraged a high-performing employee.
The Four-by-Four Expectations Exercise
Joshua asked how to introduce these leadership concepts to employees, particularly newer employees, without becoming overwhelming. Tom recommended a four-by-four expectations exercise covering admired characteristics, measurable wins, “hero” behaviors, and behaviors that frustrate the leader, with both parties completing the exercise and comparing answers.
Serving Without Creating Dependence
The meeting ended with Tom discussing the importance of recognizing that people do not ultimately need a leader to manage their lives or decisions. He encouraged leaders to act as helpers, lead people toward Jesus, and then step aside rather than trying to maintain control.
Parenting, Faith, and Letting Go
Tom shared his experience of sending his oldest son Parker to college and recalled Parker’s early desire to give his life to Jesus and be baptized. Through the conversation and its aftermath, Tom realized that Parker’s faith was shaped by influences beyond his parents and that he needed to allow Parker’s own faith to develop.
Applying the Lesson to Business
Tom broadened the story’s lesson to business, explaining that God is larger than the business and that employees and customers are entrusted responsibilities rather than possessions. He reaffirmed the mission of helping people and surrendering control so that others can grow and act independently.
Closing Announcements
Joshua thanked Tom and announced Tom’s participation in the community in September, including an opening-night keynote at Art Box on September 3 from 5:30 to 7:30. The meeting concluded with information about distributing notes and a recording by email and posting the recording on the website.
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